tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post1474562091046550805..comments2023-12-22T02:25:00.414-06:00Comments on A Keyboard and a .45: Concealed Carry on College Campus - Texas House Bill UpdateJohn Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09376217483411918789noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-19198282397652638272009-05-12T17:52:00.000-05:002009-05-12T17:52:00.000-05:00I forgot to mention. UH SGA said they do not supp...I forgot to mention. UH SGA said they do not support the HB and SB of concealed carry on campus. It was a close vote 14-11. To me that is a failure of a resolution since the student body and the SGA is not resolute.<br /><br />There was overwhelming support for concealed carry by students and other interested parties at the SGA meeting. The meetings usually last 1 or 2 hours. With all the people talking it ran well into the middle of the night.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-78142709871505428042009-05-09T12:28:00.000-05:002009-05-09T12:28:00.000-05:00HB 1893 was just put on the calendar. The Calenda...HB 1893 was just put on the calendar. The Calendar Committee finally considered it yesterday and though the minutes of the meeting haven't yet been posted, the bill's listing at bill look-up is now listed as "Placed on General State Calendar" for 5/11/09.Briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-65550659179614749792009-05-08T14:22:00.000-05:002009-05-08T14:22:00.000-05:00Yes, SB 1164 is still in committee.
If you do a q...Yes, SB 1164 is still in committee.<br /><br />If you do a quick search of the blog, you might find that I have covered SB 1164 also.<br /><br />As it sits today, the House bill is the one most likely to get on the calendar before the drop dead date.John Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376217483411918789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-13934575430102572472009-05-08T12:35:00.000-05:002009-05-08T12:35:00.000-05:00It's all well and good that we are getting support...It's all well and good that we are getting support out for the House version of the bill, but the Senate version (S.B. 1164) is still in committee- and it may very well die there. Right now S.B. 1164 is in the Senate State Affairs Committee. The chairman of the committee is Call senator Robert Duncan (512) 463-0128. Call him and tell him that you don't want this bill dying in committee. the other members of the committee are:<br /><br />John Carona (512) 463-0116<br />Rodney Ellis (512) 463-0113(DEMOCRAT!)<br />Troy Fraser (512) 463-0124<br />Chris Harris (512) 463-0109<br />Mike Jackson (512) 463-0111<br />Eddie Lucio (512) 463-0127(DEMOCRAT!)<br />Leticia Van de Putte (512) 463-0126(DEMOCRAT!)<br /><br />Remind them that the house version already passed 5 to 3 from the House Public Safety Committee and a large portion of the House (i believe 75 or so) are already in support of this bill.<br /><br />There are still more battles to be won, don't get bogged down in just one of them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13448646797496226515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-28766157888268479602009-04-23T15:28:00.000-05:002009-04-23T15:28:00.000-05:00The A&M Student paper had editorials today wit...The A&M Student paper had editorials today with both sides. Along with two full pages of Mexican drug related violence and a notice that the student senate has voted to call for a general vote by the students on Carry on Campus. The Anti side of the editorial was by a journalism major who basically read off the VPC and Brady cut sheets about CHL in general and blood on the streets and the usual anti CHL claptrap. The pro side was presented by a Marine who has returned to school and is a CHL and included FACTS that supported his argument. I can only hope tha the journalism major one day grows up and begins to think like an adult for himself instead of reading misinformation from someone else.TXGunGeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13405501054321031442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-83572433720249348902009-04-23T13:58:00.000-05:002009-04-23T13:58:00.000-05:00I would love to be involved in that debate (ain't ...I would <I>love</I> to be involved in that debate (ain't gonna happen, I'm in San Antonio), and I hope there are some pro-carry folks who will attend so it's not an echo chamber for this SGA president. If I had any influence or participation in such an event, the order in which I'd bring up issues would be thus:<br />1) Is Concealed Carry in general OK?<br />2) Is Concealed Carry on campus (by licensed CHLs) in particular OK?<br /><br />If the answer to #1 is no (to a person or to a body of people), then they probably will say no to #2, and with the same reasons - that's to be expected.<br /><br />If the answer to #1 is YES, then saying no to #2 (and justifying it with reason) becomes a much harder thing to do, and that's where this kind of debate can be very interesting. Opponents of campus carry who are fine with carry off-campus would need to justify the arbitrary restriction that currently exists re: campus carry - and it's probably something they're not very well-equipped to do.JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290459493177200781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-41506432122735342612009-04-23T13:27:00.000-05:002009-04-23T13:27:00.000-05:00This is from the SGA president of the University o...This is from the SGA president of the University of Houston. He is against concealed carry on campus and the student government is going to try to pass a bill saying no to concealed carry.<br /><br />"Good morning fellow Cougars,<br /><br />The Texas Legislature is considering Texas House Bill 1893 - Carrying on Campus, which would limit the ability of any public university to restrict licensed handgun owners from carrying concealed handguns on any public university campus within the state of Texas. <br /><br />Such a bill is relevant to all students at the University of Houston because campus safety and security are top priorities. Therefore we must all engage in this debate and your opinion matters. <br /><br />The SGA Senate will be debating this issue at its next session on Wednesday, April 29, 2009, at 7:00 p.m. in the UC Underground Mediterranean Room. <br /><br />To read the bill in question as it would appear in the state legislature log on to;<br /><br />http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/html/HB01893I.htm"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-71748940557576009092009-04-23T06:42:00.000-05:002009-04-23T06:42:00.000-05:00So, I talked to Fred Brown last night. Post with i...So, I talked to Fred Brown last night. Post with is explanation and my thoughts is up at:<br /><br />http://gungeekrants.blogspot.com/2009/04/texas-campus-carry-part-duex.htmlTXGunGeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13405501054321031442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-65924468690489149702009-04-22T13:06:00.000-05:002009-04-22T13:06:00.000-05:00So, I have responded to his response and gotten a ...So, I have responded to his response and gotten a reply form his chief of staff. Not answers to my questions but a personal response. I replied to that and will see if I can get real answers to my questions. Will publish when I get them.TXGunGeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13405501054321031442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-68762862212362696012009-04-22T01:04:00.000-05:002009-04-22T01:04:00.000-05:00UTA is having the Empty Holster Protest this week ...UTA is having the Empty Holster Protest this week and we are going to bombard Diane Patrick's office with signatures, letters, notes, ect. We hope to get her to sway to the pro side.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15245335437984957793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-10382349961493466242009-04-21T21:05:00.001-05:002009-04-21T21:05:00.001-05:00Great job on the letter there TXGunGeek.Great job on the letter there TXGunGeek.John Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376217483411918789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-15225968954378548422009-04-21T21:05:00.000-05:002009-04-21T21:05:00.000-05:00My Rep, Dr. Diane Patrick, has not taken a positio...My Rep, Dr. Diane Patrick, has not taken a position on the issue. I keep trying. Short notes with different bullets each time.John Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376217483411918789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-81603748247376252892009-04-21T17:50:00.000-05:002009-04-21T17:50:00.000-05:00Got a canned response from one of his staffers. Ha...Got a canned response from one of his staffers. Have posted it on my blog.<br /><br />http://gungeekrants.blogspot.com/2009/04/texas-campus-carry.htmlTXGunGeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13405501054321031442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-44451899645471393622009-04-20T18:12:00.000-05:002009-04-20T18:12:00.000-05:00Just so happens I am in Rep Browns District. Just ...Just so happens I am in Rep Browns District. Just sent this off to him.<br /><br />Rep. Brown,<br />I am disconcerted by your lack of support for the campus carry bill HB1893. As my representative, I would ask that you consider the law abiding CHL holders that work for Texas A&M University and whom you also represent. You are saying by your actions, that you do not trust that people who have been through the extremely rigorous background check and training process required for obtaining a Texas CHL. There is ample evidence to show that Texas CHL holders are more trust worthy than the general population based on rates of conviction for misdemeanor and felony offenses. Do you really wish to say to those you represent that you do not trust them? Is there some imaginary line surrounding college campuses that make normally lawful people freak out and turn them into killers? You are forcing those who would otherwise be responsible for their own safety to give up that CIVIL RIGHT and creating an open killing field for deranged killers who would otherwise risk facing an armed potential victim.<br /><br />I therefore ask that you truly represent those who elected you and support this bill.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br />XXXXXX X XXXXXXXXXTXGunGeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13405501054321031442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-78354911227684731392009-04-20T12:55:00.000-05:002009-04-20T12:55:00.000-05:00You get an A+ there JT.
That is why the definitio...You get an A+ there JT.<br /><br />That is why the definition of "premises" is so important in Texas CHL legislation.<br /><br />""Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area."<br /><br />So, with this bill as written, while a private or independent college can restrict CHL holders from carrying on the "premises", they can not restrict CHL carried handguns on the "campus".John Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376217483411918789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-44208545393053474112009-04-20T12:40:00.000-05:002009-04-20T12:40:00.000-05:00Most noticeable is the fact that a private busines...<I>Most noticeable is the fact that a private business does not have to consult with its <B>employees</B> before establishing rule and regulations that prohibit license holders from carrying handguns on company property.</I>According to the paragraph, the colleges also have to consult with their students (aka their customers) - which other private businesses also don't have to do.<br /><br />Re: legalese question<br /><br />Is it the gap that the passage of this bill would create between employees of colleges and employees of other businesses, assuming the parking lot bill doesn't pass? The passage of the college bill would prohibit colleges from restricting their licensed employees from carrying or storing, where as of now other private employers can still prohibit their licensed employees from storing in their cars.<br /><br />Do I get an "A" or am I getting held back? :-)JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290459493177200781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-76444508130396121212009-04-20T11:58:00.000-05:002009-04-20T11:58:00.000-05:00Well done post, and an excellent "translation". Th...Well done post, and an excellent "translation". Thanks!Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.com