tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post6634612275319985921..comments2023-12-22T02:25:00.414-06:00Comments on A Keyboard and a .45: Last Week I...John Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09376217483411918789noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-5218985500608013632009-04-20T11:38:00.000-05:002009-04-20T11:38:00.000-05:00Huh. It's interesting that the bill would req...Huh. It's interesting that the bill would require a private institution to "jump through more hoops" than other private businesses in order to justify putting up a 30.06 sign - a college's owners & operators (board, etc.?) would have to consult with its students (customers), staff & faculty (employees) before putting up any 30.06 signs. The local mom-and-pop watch repair store needs to do nothing of the sort - the owner just puts up the sign if he wants to. That's the part that seemed weird to me, and I mistakenly read it as a replacement of 30.06 rather than an additional requirement on the institution's use of 30.06.<br /><br /><I>I personally do not include business property in my definition of "private" property.</I>There's certainly a whole huge conversation around those definitions that I'm sure we don't want to go into here - suffice to say that if every party rigorously agreed on definitions (A means X and B means Y) at the outset of any debate on the subject and abide by the Call The Same Thing The Same Thing maxim, these discussions would go ever so much more smoothly. IMO of course.JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290459493177200781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-49518152526797616692009-04-17T17:36:00.000-05:002009-04-17T17:36:00.000-05:00Here is the text from the committee substitute:
"...Here is the text from the committee substitute:<br /><br />"(e)A private or independent institution of higher education in this state may, after consulting with students, staff, and faculty of the institution, establish rules, regulations, or other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying handguns on premises that are owned or operated by the institution and located on the campus of the institution. For purposes of this subsection, "premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035,<br />Penal Code."<br /><br />If the "private or independent institution of higher education" holds hearings and decides to prohibit CHL holders from carrying a firearm on campus, the institution would still have to provide proper notification to the CHL holder that concealed firearms are prohibited. They would have to comply with 30.06.<br /><br />This change satisfies the private property rights crowd. I personally do not include business property in my definition of "private" property.John Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376217483411918789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-58116016769675960632009-04-16T11:12:00.000-05:002009-04-16T11:12:00.000-05:00Hi Bob -
Sorry, I wasn't clear/specific. I was g...Hi Bob -<br /><br />Sorry, I wasn't clear/specific. I was going off of the quote which specifically mentioned:<br />"except that the governing bodies of private institutions may adopt administrative rules and regulations <B>affecting carrying by CHLs in buildings only (not parking lots or grounds)</B> after consulting with faculty, staff and students."<br /><br />So since (at least according to the TSRA report from which that quote comes) restricting carry in the open areas is off-limits, 30.06 would seem a logical fit for restricting buildings (particular ones or each & every, as the governing bodies saw fit I suppose).<br /><br />The only thing I can think of is that they wanted to allow the universities to post whatever kinds of notices they deemed fit (or possibly none at all, as long as the policy is communicated somehow?) rather than have to follow the strict guidelines of 30.06. Which, now that I'm thinking more about it, seems like it would be a burden on CHLs walking into another business looking for 30.06 signs, but then walking into a college campus building and not knowing what kind of sign to look for, or if carry was restricted but not posted.JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290459493177200781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-27288381455561538492009-04-15T15:50:00.000-05:002009-04-15T15:50:00.000-05:00JT,
Given the size, number of buildings, and othe...JT,<br /><br />Given the size, number of buildings, and other problems; I could see why 30.06 signs wouldn't work.<br /><br />Many universities have open campuses where there are meeting areas, sitting areas outside of buildings but on campus that would make it impractical to place signs.Bob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15882819735831651314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33073529.post-65729928660961370892009-04-15T15:02:00.000-05:002009-04-15T15:02:00.000-05:00Re: the exemption for private universities
I wond...Re: the exemption for private universities<br /><br />I wonder why HB 1893 wouldn't just refer to 30.06 as the method by which a private university could set up its own "you can carry here but not there" rules. Seems to me that it'd make sense and would keep things simple legally-speaking. A private university is just a business, same as 24-Hour Fitness, right? Give them money (and get "accepted"), they give you access. 30.06 seems like a good fit to me.JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290459493177200781noreply@blogger.com