Banned Specifically by Name
Mini-14® Ranch Rifle
M1 Carbine
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle (I assume they mean both)
One Banned by Attributes
Remington Model 11-87™ SP-T Thumbhole
Thumbhole stock, a big no-can-do.
And, One That Many Have Not Thought About
That is correct, from the bill:
...a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.Who did John Browing develop the 1911 for?
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I recall the text of the bill also saying that a firearm would not necessarily be deemed suitable for sporting purposes just because it was used in a sporting event, and I remember thinking that could lead to the banning of, well, pretty much anything that goes BANG. Here's hoping this one goes down in flames.
The full text of that subsection is: A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
As the 1911 is not a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun, how do you figure it applies?
Anon;
I am no lawyer, but this paragraph seems pretty straight forward to me.
a - Semi Auto long guns used by LEO's or the military.
OR
b - any other firearm used by LEO's or the military.
If this section applied only to long guns, the term "firearm" would have been replaced by "rifle or shotgun". Also, if it applied only to semi automatics, then "semi auto rifle or shotgun" would have been used instead of "firearm".
If this bill becomes law, expect to see firearms such as the Remington model 870 and model 700 banned due to the fact that they are in use by the military and LEO's all over the country.
It may take awhile to get the 1911, the 870 and the 700 banned, but over time it will happen.
During the original debate over the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban, gun control advocates gave much emphasis to their claim that assault weapon legislation would not ban hunting rifles commonly used by sportsmen in the US. With great fanfare, they included in the bill a list of 650 "HUNTING AND SPORTING FIREARMS" that would be exempted from the ban:
SEC. 04. EXEMPTION FOR CERTAIN HUNTING AND SPORTING FIREARMS.
Section 922 of title 18, as amended by section----03, is amended by adding at the end the following paragraph:
`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--
`(A) any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates of the firearms, specified in Appendix A to this section, as such firearms were manufactured on October 1, 1993;
`(B) any firearm that--
`(i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;
`(ii) is an `unserviceable firearm'; or
`(iii) is an antique firearm;
`(C) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of ammunition; or
`(D) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than 5 rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.'.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/AWBan/text.asp
The 650 "Hunting and Sporting Firearms" were listed by name in Appendix A. Among them was :
CENTERFIRE RIFLES-AUTOLOADERS
Ruger Mini-14 Autoloading Rifle (w/o folding stock).
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/AWBan/text.asp
1) Then-President Clinton said in "An Open Letter to Hunters and Sportsmen" on April 29, 1994:
"High-paid lobbyists argue that the assault weapons ban will infringe on our right, as hunters and sportsmen, to own guns. But what they don't tell you is that the proposal I support specifically safeguards hunter's rights. It explicitly protects more than 650 hunting and recreational rifles from the ban."
http://clinton6.nara.gov/1994/04/1994-04-29-presidents-letter-to-hunters-on-assault-weapons-ban.html
2) Senator Feinstein, the author of the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban, says on her web site:
Hunting Guns and Other Recreational Weapons Exempted in the Legislation
Ruger Mini-14 Autoloading Rifle (w/o folding stock)
http://www.senate.gov/~feinstein/exempted_guns.html
3) The Brady Campaign says on their web site:
The amendment specifically lists 650 sporting rifles that would not be affected by the ban.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/federal/votes/senate.asp?print=on
The Ruger Mini-14 has not changed since 1994, when it was specifically exempted by name. As we have seen above, the Ruger Mini-14 has been acknowledged by gun control advocates as "hunting and recreational rifles", "sporting rifles", and "commonly used for hunting or target shooting".
Until now, most gun control advocates have given great emphasis to their claim that assault weapon legislation would not ban hunting rifles commonly used by sportsmen in the US, but they now seek to ban acknowledged hunting rifles.
This is major news - why have there been no announcements or news reports of this policy change? (Okay – that’s a rhetorical question.)
Hey Jay;
Thanks for stopping by and adding to this post. I appreciate the time you took to provide those links.
Thanks. I was worried that it was too lengthy.
There are many good arguments against an AWB. I always lead with this one:
You promised not to ban hunting guns, and even made a list of them.
Now you want to ban guns that were on the list?
I don't know if is right to say but Assault Weapons is also included inside shooting sports category and most gun ranges across the U.S. are allowing the use of every semi-automatic and assault weapons. The Attorney general is either wrong or got paid to said that comment.
the 1911 would be included because it was the military sidearm for WWII and they would also ban the berreta 9mm cuz that is the current sidearm of the military
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